[ABC] ABC and the 50 Call Program

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Joe,
 
Thanks for the charts.  This really helps us all see  exactly where we are 
at this time concerning the "less than MS" programs being  experimented with.
 
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In a message dated 10/2/2013 11:40:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jwd3 at dehnbase.org writes:

On 10/2/2013 10:00 AM, _JERRYSTORY at aol.com_ (mailto:JERRYSTORY at aol.com)  
wrote:


Pasted below is the RGV Club 50 and below that the new CL/ACA 50 call  
program. You can compare the differences, which are minimal but worth  
discussing.  It would be nice to see these lists meshed into one.   Then it's time 
for all interested participants to focus on ONE 50 call list  and begin to 
start 50 call clubs running parallel with the existing  activity.  Those who do 
not want to change do not have to.  No  body is suggesting a mandate but 
rather a consolidated and concentrated  effort to rebuild Square Dancing using 
a new 50 call program.    

The floor is now open for discussion. 




As  part of investigating doing something along these lines in our area, 
some of  us in Santa Clara County, California have taken a detailed look at a 
number of  the lists based on this general concept, including the two 
specific lists that  you mention.  But in comparing them, we found a lot of 
differences among  them, including their size.  The second one you mentioned 
(labeled the  "Experimental Condensed Teaching Order") is significantly smaller 
than "Club  50".  (So I am not comfortable calling them both "50 call lists", 
even if  they are both based on the same idea of having something smaller 
and faster to  teach than Mainstream.)

You can find our detailed comparison and  related commentary at:

http://www.dehnbase.org/sd/gdp/list-comparisons.html

And  if by "meshing" them into one you mean merging the two lists, to 
produce  something that includes all the calls in each, that would produce 
something  even bigger than "Club 50", since while ECTO is significantly smaller 
it isn't  actually a subset.  But perhaps by "mesh" you mean including some 
but not  all of the calls from each, to end up with something of an 
intermediate  size.

Given how many different people seem to be working in this  general 
direction, my own view is that trying to come up with any sort of  universal "40 
call" or "50 call" list isn't all that urgent -- it is a good  goal to have in 
mind, but not something on which we need to focus too much at  this time.  
More important, I think, is for people to experiment with  actually using 
these lists to teach faster and build up a larger dancer  population, and any 
list smaller than Mainstream could be used for such  experiments.  If and 
when somebody is clearly and consistently getting  good results, we can then 
all look and see whether that success seems to be a  result of the details of 
the list they are using or of something else (how  they schedule, how they 
teach, how they recruit, etc.).  And to whatever  extent it appears to be 
due to the specifics of the list, I'm sure others will  then consider 
following that lead.

In the meantime, I would much rather  see two, three, or even more small 
lists all "competing" for this role and all  contributing to growth in various 
geographic areas, than for everybody to be  waiting around until there is 
agreement on which of these lists is  best!




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