[ABC] ABC and the 50 Call Program

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And if by "meshing" them into one you mean merging the two lists, to  
produce something that includes all the calls in each, that would produce  
something even bigger than "Club 50", since while ECTO is significantly smaller  
it isn't actually a subset.  But perhaps by "mesh" you mean including some  
but not all of the calls from each, to end up with something of an 
intermediate  size.
 
To clarify, there are reasons that differences  exist on each of the 
different lists.  There are several reasons of which  I'm sure would certainly 
include teaching, philosophy, new dancers,  etc.  Discussing and understanding 
these reasons can do nothing  but help us come up with a smaller but very 
solid program.  The word I  chose to use was "mesh".

up with any sort of universal "40 call"  or "50 call" list isn't all that 
urgent -- it is a good goal to have in mind,  but not something on which we 
need to focus too much at this time.  More  important, I think, is for people 
to experiment with actually using these lists  to teach faster and build up 
a larger dancer population, and any list smaller  than Mainstream could be 
used for such experiments.  If and when somebody  is clearly and 
consistently getting good results, we can then all look and see  whether that success 
seems to be a result of the details of the list they are  using or of 
something else (how they schedule, how they teach, how they recruit,  etc.).  And 
to whatever extent it appears to be due to the specifics of the  list, I'm 
sure others will then consider following that lead.
 
I would prefer to cooperatively work on THE  list now.  We are not get any 
younger! :-)  How much longer can we  experiment?  A list is a list is a 
list.  There is plenty of teaching  experience aboard on this project.  We can 
come up with a coordinated  list of calls and, if need be, tweak it as we 
move forward.  Why not  have everyone on the same plane?  Why wait?  The 
sooner we can deliver  this to the Caller Coaches the sooner Caller Training can 
begin. (new and  old).  Caller Training will be key to the success of this 
new  program.  We'll save this for a future discussion.

In  the meantime, I would much rather see two, three, or even more small 
lists all  "competing" for this role and all contributing to growth in various 
geographic  areas, than for everybody to be waiting around until there is 
agreement on which  of these lists is best!
 
The RGV 50 and the ECTO are really not that far  apart.  I see teaching 
differences and a bit of philosophy  differences.  The RGV list does appear 
bigger but it is mostly  things like Forward and Back, Balance, Separates, Step 
to a Wave, Wrong Way  Grand, etc.  These do increase the number but 
increase teach time very  little.
  
I'm looking forward to discussing these  differences and working towards a 
Standardized set of calls.  


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In a message dated 10/2/2013 11:40:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jwd3 at dehnbase.org writes:

And if  by "meshing" them into one you mean merging the two lists, to 
produce  something that includes all the calls in each, that would produce 
something  even bigger than "Club 50", since while ECTO is significantly smaller 
it isn't  actually a subset.  But perhaps by "mesh" you mean including some 
but not  all of the calls from each, to end up with something of an 
intermediate  size.

Given how many different people seem to be working in this  general 
direction, my own view is that trying to come up with any sort of  universal "40 
call" or "50 call" list isn't all that urgent -- it is a good  goal to have in 
mind, but not something on which we need to focus too much at  this time.  
More important, I think, is for people to experiment with  actually using 
these lists to teach faster and build up a larger dancer  population, and any 
list smaller than Mainstream could be used for such  experiments.  If and 
when somebody is clearly and consistently getting  good results, we can then 
all look and see whether that success seems to be a  result of the details of 
the list they are using or of something else (how  they schedule, how they 
teach, how they recruit, etc.).  And to whatever  extent it appears to be 
due to the specifics of the list, I'm sure others will  then consider 
following that lead.

In the meantime, I would much rather  see two, three, or even more small 
lists all "competing" for this role and all  contributing to growth in various 
geographic areas, than for everybody to be  waiting around until there is 
agreement on which of these lists is  best!

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