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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/2/2013 10:00 AM,
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<div>Pasted below is the RGV Club 50 and below that the new CL/ACA
50 call program. You can compare the differences, which are
minimal but worth discussing. It would be nice to see these
lists meshed into one. Then it's time for all interested
participants to focus on ONE 50 call list and begin to start 50
call clubs running parallel with the existing activity. Those
who do not want to change do not have to. No body is suggesting
a mandate but rather a consolidated and concentrated effort to
rebuild Square Dancing using a new 50 call program.
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<div>The floor is now open for discussion. <br>
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As part of investigating doing something along these lines in our
area, some of us in Santa Clara County, California have taken a
detailed look at a number of the lists based on this general
concept, including the two specific lists that you mention. But in
comparing them, we found a lot of differences among them, including
their size. The second one you mentioned (labeled the "Experimental
Condensed Teaching Order") is significantly smaller than "Club 50".
(So I am not comfortable calling them both "50 call lists", even if
they are both based on the same idea of having something smaller and
faster to teach than Mainstream.)<br>
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You can find our detailed comparison and related commentary at:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.dehnbase.org/sd/gdp/list-comparisons.html">http://www.dehnbase.org/sd/gdp/list-comparisons.html</a><br>
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And if by "meshing" them into one you mean merging the two lists, to
produce something that includes all the calls in each, that would
produce something even bigger than "Club 50", since while ECTO is
significantly smaller it isn't actually a subset. But perhaps by
"mesh" you mean including some but not all of the calls from each,
to end up with something of an intermediate size.<br>
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Given how many different people seem to be working in this general
direction, my own view is that trying to come up with any sort of
universal "40 call" or "50 call" list isn't all that urgent -- it is
a good goal to have in mind, but not something on which we need to
focus too much at this time. More important, I think, is for people
to experiment with actually using these lists to teach faster and
build up a larger dancer population, and any list smaller than
Mainstream could be used for such experiments. If and when somebody
is clearly and consistently getting good results, we can then all
look and see whether that success seems to be a result of the
details of the list they are using or of something else (how they
schedule, how they teach, how they recruit, etc.). And to whatever
extent it appears to be due to the specifics of the list, I'm sure
others will then consider following that lead.<br>
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In the meantime, I would much rather see two, three, or even more
small lists all "competing" for this role and all contributing to
growth in various geographic areas, than for everybody to be waiting
around until there is agreement on which of these lists is best!<br>
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