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<DIV>In a message dated 10/2/2013 11:40:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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<DIV>Pasted below is the RGV Club 50 and below that the new CL/ACA 50 call
program. You can compare the differences, which are minimal but worth
discussing. It would be nice to see these lists meshed into one.
Then it's time for all interested participants to focus on ONE 50 call list
and begin to start 50 call clubs running parallel with the existing
activity. Those who do not want to change do not have to. No
body is suggesting a mandate but rather a consolidated and concentrated
effort to rebuild Square Dancing using a new 50 call program.
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<DIV>The floor is now open for discussion. <BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>As
part of investigating doing something along these lines in our area, some of
us in Santa Clara County, California have taken a detailed look at a number of
the lists based on this general concept, including the two specific lists that
you mention. But in comparing them, we found a lot of differences among
them, including their size. The second one you mentioned (labeled the
"Experimental Condensed Teaching Order") is significantly smaller than "Club
50". (So I am not comfortable calling them both "50 call lists", even if
they are both based on the same idea of having something smaller and faster to
teach than Mainstream.)<BR><BR>You can find our detailed comparison and
related commentary at:<BR><BR> <A
title=http://www.dehnbase.org/sd/gdp/list-comparisons.html
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href="http://www.dehnbase.org/sd/gdp/list-comparisons.html">http://www.dehnbase.org/sd/gdp/list-comparisons.html</A><BR><BR>And
if by "meshing" them into one you mean merging the two lists, to produce
something that includes all the calls in each, that would produce something
even bigger than "Club 50", since while ECTO is significantly smaller it isn't
actually a subset. But perhaps by "mesh" you mean including some but not
all of the calls from each, to end up with something of an intermediate
size.<BR><BR>Given how many different people seem to be working in this
general direction, my own view is that trying to come up with any sort of
universal "40 call" or "50 call" list isn't all that urgent -- it is a good
goal to have in mind, but not something on which we need to focus too much at
this time. More important, I think, is for people to experiment with
actually using these lists to teach faster and build up a larger dancer
population, and any list smaller than Mainstream could be used for such
experiments. If and when somebody is clearly and consistently getting
good results, we can then all look and see whether that success seems to be a
result of the details of the list they are using or of something else (how
they schedule, how they teach, how they recruit, etc.). And to whatever
extent it appears to be due to the specifics of the list, I'm sure others will
then consider following that lead.<BR><BR>In the meantime, I would much rather
see two, three, or even more small lists all "competing" for this role and all
contributing to growth in various geographic areas, than for everybody to be
waiting around until there is agreement on which of these lists is
best!<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>ABC
mailing
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