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<DIV>And if by "meshing" them into one you mean merging the two lists, to
produce something that includes all the calls in each, that would produce
something even bigger than "Club 50", since while ECTO is significantly smaller
it isn't actually a subset. But perhaps by "mesh" you mean including some
but not all of the calls from each, to end up with something of an intermediate
size.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>To clarify, there are reasons that differences
exist on each of the different lists. There are several reasons of which
I'm sure would certainly include teaching, philosophy, new dancers,
etc. Discussing and understanding these reasons can do nothing
but help us come up with a smaller but very solid program. The word I
chose to use was "mesh".</FONT><BR><BR>up with any sort of universal "40 call"
or "50 call" list isn't all that urgent -- it is a good goal to have in mind,
but not something on which we need to focus too much at this time. More
important, I think, is for people to experiment with actually using these lists
to teach faster and build up a larger dancer population, and any list smaller
than Mainstream could be used for such experiments. If and when somebody
is clearly and consistently getting good results, we can then all look and see
whether that success seems to be a result of the details of the list they are
using or of something else (how they schedule, how they teach, how they recruit,
etc.). And to whatever extent it appears to be due to the specifics of the
list, I'm sure others will then consider following that lead.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>I would prefer to cooperatively work on THE
list now. We are not get any younger! :-) How much longer can we
experiment? A list is a list is a list. There is plenty of teaching
experience aboard on this project. We can come up with a coordinated
list of calls and, if need be, tweak it as we move forward. Why not
have everyone on the same plane? Why wait? The sooner we can deliver
this to the Caller Coaches the sooner Caller Training can begin. (new and
old). Caller Training will be key to the success of this new
program. We'll save this for a future discussion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4></FONT><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4></FONT><BR>In
the meantime, I would much rather see two, three, or even more small lists all
"competing" for this role and all contributing to growth in various geographic
areas, than for everybody to be waiting around until there is agreement on which
of these lists is best!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>The RGV 50 and the ECTO are really not that far
apart. I see teaching differences and a bit of philosophy
differences. The RGV list does appear bigger but it is mostly
things like Forward and Back, Balance, Separates, Step to a Wave, Wrong Way
Grand, etc. These do increase the number but increase teach time very
little.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>I'm looking forward to discussing these
differences and working towards a Standardized set of calls.</FONT> <FONT
color=#ff0000 size=4> </FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 10/2/2013 11:40:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jwd3@dehnbase.org writes:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>And if
by "meshing" them into one you mean merging the two lists, to produce
something that includes all the calls in each, that would produce something
even bigger than "Club 50", since while ECTO is significantly smaller it isn't
actually a subset. But perhaps by "mesh" you mean including some but not
all of the calls from each, to end up with something of an intermediate
size.<BR><BR>Given how many different people seem to be working in this
general direction, my own view is that trying to come up with any sort of
universal "40 call" or "50 call" list isn't all that urgent -- it is a good
goal to have in mind, but not something on which we need to focus too much at
this time. More important, I think, is for people to experiment with
actually using these lists to teach faster and build up a larger dancer
population, and any list smaller than Mainstream could be used for such
experiments. If and when somebody is clearly and consistently getting
good results, we can then all look and see whether that success seems to be a
result of the details of the list they are using or of something else (how
they schedule, how they teach, how they recruit, etc.). And to whatever
extent it appears to be due to the specifics of the list, I'm sure others will
then consider following that lead.<BR><BR>In the meantime, I would much rather
see two, three, or even more small lists all "competing" for this role and all
contributing to growth in various geographic areas, than for everybody to be
waiting around until there is agreement on which of these lists is
best!<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>