[ABC] ABC and the 50 Call Program

[JERRYSTORY at aol.com]

I would love to hear the people who came up with these lists discuss why  
they made the choices that they did.  Just from looking at the lists  
themselves, once one gets beyond the "obvious" deletions of things that  
everybody seems to think are relatively worthless, it's often hard to  
tell why particular calls were chosen.

It is plain to see the logic in both  lists.  I see groups of calls that 
actually go good together in both  lists.  (flutters and sweeps- rollway and 
box the gnat - veers and couples  circulate early on - etc.).  We chose Star 
Thru, Dive Thru and California  Twirl over Pass to the Center for a logical 
reason.  We felt new  dancers needed the security of the hand hold.  I still 
feel this way but am  not real passionate about it.  We could easily agree 
to Slide Thru, Partner  Trade and Pass To The Center.  I have no problem 
with that.  As I  said, A list is a list is a list.  Let's just all agree and 
get on with  it.
 
I have no problem with people working on trying  to come up with a better 
list.  (But maybe I am confused about what you  mean by "this project" -- 
what project?  I responded to a message  posted on the ABC list.  Is that 
what you mean?)  All I meant was  that I don't think people should be 
_waiting_ for any sort of agreement  before trying to make use of this 
general approach in their own area.   And personally, I don't see the 
lack of a list as the key problem.  We  already have several lists that 
people can use, some of which have been  around for many years -- and 
most people aren't using any of  them.
 
"This Project" is The Big  Picture".  We are just doing some preliminary 
water testing.   Ultimately our Professional Leadership Organizations will 
have to continue the  pursuit of a final document.  I say the sooner the better 
because a lot of  work still needs to be done.  The reason we are creating 
a new  list is to try and put the calls on it that callers use most, both in 
Patter and  Singing Calls.  I would love it if we could just use the Basic 
list but  times have changed and so has caller ability.  Most callers need 
what I  call a few utility calls from the MS program to make a list that 
stands any  chance of being used in the future.  With the right set of calls,  
sanctioned by our Professional Leadership, along with caller education and we 
 stand a GREAT chance of callers starting to final use a shorter  program. 

But I see quite a few more significant differences between  those two 
lists.  RGV50 includes Chain Down the Line, Circle to a Line,  Cross Run, 
Wheel and Deal from 2-faced lines, First/Next Couple Go  Left/Right, 
Centers In, and Tag / 1/2 Tag the Line, all of which require  explicit 
teaching because their meaning is not obvious to a new dancer just  from 
the words of the name, and several of these are actions that many  
beginners have trouble getting even after they have been explained.   
None of these taken separately is all _that_ hard to teach, but taken  
together they could easily add several weeks to the total teaching  time.
 
Ironically the calls you mention are some  of the utility calls I was 
referring to.  If they've had Ladies Chain then  Ladies Chain Down the Line does 
not even need a teach,, Just Call It.   First Couple Left Next Right takes 
very little time to teach.  If we are  going to teach Cast Off, and start 
with a "logical order of difficulty"  (something else we will have to discuss 
for each call). then we need Centers In  (teach time 10 seconds).  You are 
correct that some calls will take a bit  of time, like Tags.  But, it seems 
callers need half tag and scoot back for  singing calls.  Recycle is another 
example of a needed "utility  call".  
 
Thanks for you input Joe


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In a message dated 10/3/2013 8:54:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jwd3 at dehnbase.org writes:

I would  love to hear the people who came up with these lists discuss why 
they made  the choices that they did.  Just from looking at the lists  
themselves, once one gets beyond the "obvious" deletions of things that  
everybody seems to think are relatively worthless, it's often hard to  
tell why particular calls were  chosen.

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