[ABC] ABC and the 50 Call Program

[Billharrisonwdh at aol.com]

Hi 
This is very  interesting and I am enjoying the input.  I would like to 
start by saying “Messing” these 2 selected list can be  done but it will take 
some time to get it right (and for some it may never be  right).  Here is 
when all the  participants must have a complete open mind.  There may be calls 
that one of us may  really want but must let go of due to quantity or 
usefullness.  We must analyze why the call has the  merit to exist.  The one list 
 mentioned in Jerry’s article took 4 months of every day discussion and  
management of input.  The starting  place was putting a list of 15 calls on 
the table and working from that point  discussion the pro’s and con’s.  In 
the  list I am referring to it was designed by what is mostly danced in today’
s  Mainstream arena. I feel this can be accomplished with this project and  
one person should be the “Manager” with an open mind to what will be  
discussed.  I know this seems like a  lot of work, it is, but for the best reason 
anyone of us can come up with and  that is the best product we can provide. 
   The bottom line is we are the leaders  and we all need to stand behind 
our passion which is preservation of Modern  Western Square Dancing. 
Thanks  for listening 
Bill  Harrison
 
 
In a message dated 10/3/2013 11:43:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
JERRYSTORY at aol.com writes:

I would love to hear the people who came up with these lists discuss why  
they made the choices that they did.  Just from looking at the lists  
themselves, once one gets beyond the "obvious" deletions of things that  
everybody seems to think are relatively worthless, it's often hard to  
tell why particular calls were chosen.

It is plain to see the logic in both  lists.  I see groups of calls that 
actually go good together in both  lists.  (flutters and sweeps- rollway and 
box the gnat - veers and  couples circulate early on - etc.).  We chose Star 
Thru, Dive Thru and  California Twirl over Pass to the Center for a logical 
reason.  We  felt new dancers needed the security of the hand hold.  I still 
feel this  way but am not real passionate about it.  We could easily agree 
to Slide  Thru, Partner Trade and Pass To The Center.  I have no problem 
with  that.  As I said, A list is a list is a list.  Let's just all agree  and 
get on with it.
 
I have no problem with people working on  trying to come up with a better 
list.  (But maybe I am confused about  what you mean by "this project" -- 
what project?  I responded to a  message posted on the ABC list.  Is that 
what you mean?)  All I  meant was that I don't think people should be 
_waiting_ for any sort of  agreement before trying to make use of this 
general approach in their own  area.  And personally, I don't see the 
lack of a list as the key  problem.  We already have several lists that 
people can use, some of  which have been around for many years -- and 
most people aren't using any  of them.
 
"This Project" is The Big  Picture".  We are just doing some preliminary 
water testing.   Ultimately our Professional Leadership Organizations will 
have to continue the  pursuit of a final document.  I say the sooner the better 
because a lot  of work still needs to be done.  The reason we are creating 
a  new list is to try and put the calls on it that callers use most, both in 
 Patter and Singing Calls.  I would love it if we could just use the Basic  
list but times have changed and so has caller ability.  Most callers need  
what I call a few utility calls from the MS program to make a list that 
stands  any chance of being used in the future.  With the right set of calls,  
sanctioned by our Professional Leadership, along with caller education and we 
 stand a GREAT chance of callers starting to final use a shorter  program. 

But I see quite a few more significant differences between  those two 
lists.  RGV50 includes Chain Down the Line, Circle to a  Line, Cross Run, 
Wheel and Deal from 2-faced lines, First/Next Couple Go  Left/Right, 
Centers In, and Tag / 1/2 Tag the Line, all of which require  explicit 
teaching because their meaning is not obvious to a new dancer  just from 
the words of the name, and several of these are actions that  many 
beginners have trouble getting even after they have been  explained.  
None of these taken separately is all _that_ hard to  teach, but taken 
together they could easily add several weeks to the total  teaching time.
 
Ironically the calls you mention are  some of the utility calls I was 
referring to.  If they've had Ladies  Chain then Ladies Chain Down the Line does 
not even need a teach,, Just Call  It.  First Couple Left Next Right takes 
very little time to teach.   If we are going to teach Cast Off, and start 
with a "logical order of  difficulty" (something else we will have to discuss 
for each call). then we  need Centers In (teach time 10 seconds).  You are 
correct that some calls  will take a bit of time, like Tags.  But, it seems 
callers need half tag  and scoot back for singing calls.  Recycle is another 
example of a needed  "utility call".  
 
Thanks for you input Joe


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In a message dated 10/3/2013 8:54:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jwd3 at dehnbase.org writes:

I  would love to hear the people who came up with these lists discuss why  
they made the choices that they did.  Just from looking at the  lists 
themselves, once one gets beyond the "obvious" deletions of things  that 
everybody seems to think are relatively worthless, it's often hard  to 
tell why particular calls were  chosen.

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